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Governor of Waldovia



Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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Location: Waldovia, Europe

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello everybody,

As some will know, I have been missing from the RTR circle for some time due to a lack of interest in the models being produced for RTR. The flavour moved drastically from European to North American and was not to my taste, hence the lack of new liveries/skins coming from Waldovia.

However I have been keeping an eye on the goings on here at BB land. One consideration that should be taken into account is that Tamas may well have suffered some serious illness or even died. After all it happens to everyone at some stage. The total lack of communication from him would suggest this is the case as there hasn't even been a one-line post to say "Hang in there, all will be explained".

Obviously I, and all here would hope this isn't the case but it has to be considered. I myself have often wondered what would happen to my on-line presence should I myself expire. My wife and children are not in a position to notify the many and various areas of the internet that I frequent. Nor are they able to make alterations to my web sites in order to explain my absence. Eventually my ISP payments would expire, my registrations would lapse and without warning all would be gone.

With this in mind it would be wise to consider this may happen to this forum.
Without any kind of news we can only be left to expect the worst.

If you are worried that communication may be lost between yourselves, it would be wise to pre-arrange some method of keeping in touch.

Now, without wishing to deter users from this forum, and only with the intent that it should be used 'in an emergency', my own forum (which is not paid for and therefore will not disappear should I die) is available for those that care to make note of the URL now while you still can.

http://waldovia.suddenlaunch.com

There is a section specifically for RTR and obviously has no content at the moment. It is there simply so that should this forum disappear you will have somewhere to arrange alternatives.

Fingers crossed there is some other reason for the absence of BB.

The Governor.
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TonkaTuff



Joined: 13 Apr 2007
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Location: Australia's Lush Bushland

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All For One & One For All

Not that I've contributed much, if anything a few shaking heads.
But I like the idea of keeping RTR alive.
I've been trying to spend some time with modeling, as I've wanted to offer some Aussie Scenery & Rolling Stock, hopefully.
Hopefully something will get sorted.
And just remember, things could be worse, Picture this:
You're a Siamese Twin,
Your brother, attached at your shoulder is gay.
Your not.
He has a date coming over tonight.
You only have one ass.

If this happens to offend anyone, how did you think I felt.
Got to go his got another date
Wink
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peter



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Location: germany,Thuringia

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,
This is one way to hold contact over forums,Thanx Governor
WilliŽs site is also open. http://www.wleopold.ch/n_forum/index.php Cool Cool
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Map



Joined: 26 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Peter
Great Idea!!!

Hi Governor
Great Idea!!!

Hi Tonka
You Poor Bastard!!!

Mark
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Blazer9



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 211
Location: Jacksonville FL

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is great to see everyone still interested in this program

and I am one who still checks the forum daily

Glad to see a couple of long timers back and here to help with continuing progress of the forum

I will help in any way that is in my ability to continue to biuld this program
just let me know what I can do to help


Happy Railroading to all

DonR aka Blazer9
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skatetrash



Joined: 15 Feb 2006
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Location: Houston, Texas USA

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Keeping in touch.... Reply with quote

If the unthinkable does happen... Shocked
Maybe we can start up a Yahoo Group or something.

There are plenty of groups on Yahoo site that the software
they are promoting are still supported by the original
companies forums. We could think of it as a backup of
this forum and use it to hold any relevant files, pics,
or docs. It could also be used to support any add-ons or
utilities that BB chooses not to support but the community
finds valuable.

Who out there has forum moderator experience (I don't).
And what do ya'll think.
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peter



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Don,
IŽve a project on going(in progress: E-trains and powerplants) and will begin the theme EASTASIA and theire landscapes as the british and german stock. Because of that und that my father was a railworker is my interest on RTR very big.

Hi skatetrash,
this is a parallel way to Govs,WilliŽs and this forum here. IŽve allready an account on yahoo.

Hi Governor,
IŽll register soonest as possible to your forum.
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CaptPDK



Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Location: M.V.Quinn River/Gulf of Mexico

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Map;
What I meant by the registry link still being active is that I followed the process of a new user by downloading a new copy of RtR and all it's upgrades and expansions and then proceeded to register that copy. I did everything except click the submit button. This means that BrainBombers is still receiving pay for the program - unless the account to the third party collecting service was switched to the new distributor.

Someone is obviously still receiving the registration fee so someone still owns the rights to the program, it's content and the method of distribution for both. It hasn't been abandoned.

But that's not to say that support for the community hasn't been abandoned or that these services (download, collection, and forum host) are paid on a yearly basis and are just waiting to time out!

I saw this happen with Pixia Development and iBasic (an excellent Windows based BASIC language development package). The creator sold the program and rights to a large distribution company and shortly afterwards the very active community using that development software disappeared because the distributor had no interest in the Pixia web site. The users started their own forums but if one wasn't around when it happened, one lost contact.

Mr. Governor;
I haven't had the pleasure of communicating with you before but I know of your contribution to RtR. Let me just defend the BB team for a moment for their trend towards North American expansion packs. In it's infancy (as you probably know) most of RtR's registered users were European or other than US (we're talking 184 registered users with about 20%US). Here in the US, model railroad manufactures create scenery (generally speaking) based on Midwest architecture, mostly rural, from the early 20th century - a period and place where railroads were most important in this country. It was felt that by including a US expansion pack that more US users would register their RtR to be able to use these US objects.

Modeling a mock up of a commuter line from "Smallville", Ohio to Chicago is as valid a layout as modeling the Orient Express or a lumber yard in the Alps.

I don't know if the BBs were depending on me alone to provide them with this US expansion pack but being European themselves and not as familiar with US architecture, my offer to provide this service was welcomed by BB - but my work as a merchant mariner prevented me from completing the project in a timely manor. Hence, the prolonged discussions concerning US models.

I think the Iron Horses addition was due to a fascination on the part of one of the BB team members for that period of US history.

Anyway, at the moment I have approximately 100 US based objects that could be included in your layouts; ready to go; finished! but until I find out definitively what has happened to BrainBombers and RtR and who owns the distribution rights, I can't offer these objects independently without violating copyright laws - not to mention the trust Brain Bombers placed in me three years ago.

In the mean time I'll register on the Govenor's forums - just in case!

By-the-way; It's a content distribution law I would be violating. At the moment I own full rights to these objects until such time as BB would make them publicly available. It's the "validation" utility that makes these objects usable that has copy rights and usage restrictions that I would be violating.


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austindave



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi gov

Nice to see you still around. We all should keep on trackin

Dave
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CaptPDK



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter wrote:
I see it.

Peter; I take it that means our discussion helped?
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peter



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Paul,
May be i didn't use good sorted words"I see it."Confused
In my job a smith i've to see,how the material is going in a forging form before i use that form. I say that above. But in the next time i'll sort it before i post. Thanx for your question:wink:.
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CaptPDK



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case the Brain Bomber team have moved on to bigger and better things and we lose support here;

http://littlevilledepot.phpbb3now.com/index.php

Paul
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RoBear



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
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Location: Norwalk, California

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptPDK wrote:
In case the Brain Bomber team have moved on to bigger and better things and we lose support here;

http://littlevilledepot.phpbb3now.com/index.php

Paul


Hi Paul. Nice to finally meet you. Very nice site you have put up. It will provide a great safety net to this site. However, you are right about BB's, or whoever may now hold it, copyright. Without specific permission, model and object sharing, or any modding, would undoubtedly PO someone. And that is a shame because you do fantastic work. RtR really needs more American architecture (yes, I'm a little biased) and just more "stuff" in general. But without being able to mod and file share, the possibilities for this software become very limited. Maybe if an active RtR community exists someone will notice and let this program open up to user modding and user expansion.

This forum was down yesterday and part of today. I thought that was it. Somebody reset it so there is hope.

Rob
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peter



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Paul,
I'd bookmark your page and will register soon as possible. Cool

Hi Rob,
May be we all can make mods for RTR. Is it a theme or a combination of themes. Who's faster or slower modeling skinning or make function mods for RTR. And where are the borders to modding for RTR? Idea I think RTR is open for this wide enoth to do it.
I'll check it out with 1.5beta. Wink Idea
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CaptPDK



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hay Rob

I wanted to provide a "dedicated" forum for RtR users in case the speculations flying around may be true. I know there are several other forums like the Governor's web site and forums and Willie's forums but I wanted a place that RtRers can call their own; not just be "guest" in another community.

If the speculations are true, this actually may open the door to exactly what you have mentioned.

I agree that the Brain Bombers marketing strategy most likely worked against them. Look at the success of Sim City, The Sims, MS Flight Simulator - Combat Simulator and Train Simulator. These and others owe a lot of their success to the fact that the users can freely add and share content to these programs. Its one thing to model a layout and watch the train run the track - it's another matter entirely to watch a train pull into a station you designed.

I never quite understood Brain Bombers desire to maintain control over this aspect of the program for registered (paying) customers when it wasn't a direct form of profit for them.

Anyway, all is not lost. Time will tell, but in the mean time those that want to start building a library of objects that could be added at a later date, I intend to write a couple of tutorials on 3D model building for DirectX drivers and how to export them for RtR, how to texture efficiently, etc. and post them in this "other" forum.

These objects may not be usable individually just yet, but if nothing else we as a group might be able to make an expansion pack that would be a combined effort. If we could just hear something from the BB team.

If Brain Bombers has indeed sold all rights to the program to someone else, maybe the new distributers will free up this restriction.

Modifications to ini files and content files such that would not interfear with BB's distribution protection scheme are perfectly legal as long as they are either kept private to the author or offered free to the public.

Anyway, I'm not trying to take traffic away from this or any other forum, just provide another place to exchange ideas.

Paul
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